Chit-chat thread

[Elle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUsOCikx8L8

Corbu interview before the World Championships!

This is what he said:
- The new categories have a logic
- The IWF hopes that all categories will be present at the Olympics, but some have been talking about removing the lightest category for each gender.
- He would have preferred the new categories to come into force immediately after the World Championships
- What the ITA (antidoping agency) did is useless, other types of control should be done but they don't want to listen to the proposals
- Harsher punishments (six months suspension) for wherabout failure
- More out of competition control done by non-local doctors

[strapping]

The new categories have a logic

I don't see any logic. It's just copying and pasting the previous FUBAR'd categories, changing a few numbers to look like they didn't copy the other student's homework.

I can say with absolute certainty, it's not based off global height distribution statistics from the World Health Organisation.

We don't know how many WL medals the IOC will allow for 2028, so why make new classes now?

Great question, no answer.

- The IWF hopes that all categories will be present at the Olympics, but some have been talking about removing the lightest category for each gender.

I strongly doubt the IOC will allow 8+8 for the simplest reason: money.

The more categories we have, the higher the venue costs. Renting ampitheatres/stadiums is awfully expensive (up to six figures, per day). The IOC has also talked about downsizing the Olympics, whilst including more sports (including team sports), so I do not expect the athlete quota to shoot up massively.

The quota itself is probably going to be a problem too - the EB wants 12 or even 15 (top 10 + host/uni + one or all continents) per category. Multiply that by 8+8 and you get 196 or 240. Not happening. If by some miracle, the IOC allows 8+8 then you could at best bargain for 10 (top 8 + host/uni + cont) for 160.

IMO 5+5 or 6+6 is the most likely. It fits neatly into 150, the pre-nuked Paris quota.

- What the ITA (antidoping agency) did is useless, other types of control should be done but they don't want to listen to the proposals
- Harsher punishments (six months suspension) for wherabout failure
- More out of competition control done by non-local doctors

Agreed but nothing can be done about that.

[Elle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/weightlifting/ ... pected_at/

Weight 24h before the competition? No!

Standard SBD singlet? Bah...

Review of the press out rule? Ok!

[strapping]

https://www.reddit.com/r/weightlifting/ ... pected_at/

Weight 24h before the competition? No!

Standard SBD singlet? Bah...

Review of the press out rule? Ok!

7+7 doesn't fit neatly into 120 unless you have different rules for different categories, or if you have 8 athletes per category (112). 5+5 and 6+6 fit perfectly fine with 12 or 10 athletes per category, respectively. Arithmetic has never been the EB's strong point though...

The jumps for the IWF proposed categories are as follows.

Women	+% change
48
53	10.42%
58	9.43%
63	8.62%
69	9.52%
77	11.59%
86	11.69%
86+	Super

Men	% change
60
65	+8.33%
71	+9.23%
79	+11.27%
88	+11.39%
98	+11.36%
110	+12.24%
110+	Super

I don't like these categories for a number of reasons, including IMO they start too light (both men/women) and I think the jumps look mangled between categories for the women.

Removing one category is not a big problem; removing two categories (likely) leaves holes in these categories and removing three is gonna be a bad time.

I hope the new World standards will be made practically instead of using what looks like a mixture of linear interpolation and imagination. We'll never see those 87kg records broken unless Koanda or Liang Xiaomei decide to go John Haack mode to break a record no one cares about.

24 hour weigh-ins are objectionable on every level IMO. Working with combat sport athletes and seeing how they knock on death's door the day before competing makes me happy that I only ever pursued martial arts on a hobbyist level. I'm indifferent about the SBD singlet.

[Elle]

I don't know exactly on what data they decide the categories, but above all who proposes them? Is it the EB or a specific commission?

I don't really agree with the uniformity of singlets, I really like the fantasies of the various national teams (like Colombia, its black and gold singlet was beautiful).

But my real concern is that weightlifting could become like raw powerlifting in Italy: competitions can only be done with approved equipment and approved brands cost a lot. For a young person who is approaching the discipline it could be a problem.

But maybe "mi sto fasciando la testa prima di essermela rotta" (I'm worrying too soon).

[strapping]

I don't know exactly on what data they decide the categories, but above all who proposes them? Is it the EB or a specific commission?

I don't really agree with the uniformity of singlets, I really like the fantasies of the various national teams (like Colombia, its black and gold singlet was beautiful).

But my real concern is that weightlifting could become like raw powerlifting in Italy: competitions can only be done with approved equipment and approved brands cost a lot. For a young person who is approaching the discipline it could be a problem.

But maybe "mi sto fasciando la testa prima di essermela rotta" (I'm worrying too soon).

Just the EB this time. Last time, the EB created a commission to form some logical bodyweight categories (which was the early leak). Unfortunately, the EB then modified them beyond recognition for political purposes, then ratified them.

I understand your concern, SBD is notoriously expensive. I only expect enforcement of equipment branding at international events, I doubt it'll be enforced at a national level unless the national federation itself has some kind of sponsorship also.

[Hawkpeter]

The SBD deal is for 8 years, $0 for 4 years then $4mill for 4 years. Not sure what exclusivity that buys, but for that sort of money (which is almost as much as the IWF gets from an Olympic quad payment from the IOC) rumour is that other brands will need to pay a licensing fee to appear on the platform.

[erpel]

The future is now:

[strapping]

Turd goes in, shit comes out. No surprise. Large language models and a lot of ML stuff would be cool if it wasn't ruined by techbroism.

[erpel]

We'll never see those 87kg records broken...

The original idea behind the 90kg class (and then 87, now 86) to me was always also about having a non-SHW lifter break the 300 barrier. It's a threshold! But there's a surprisingly small amount of non-Chinese women to ever do it. And it never happened in a limited class. Why is that, after all? I think Koanda NOR could do it at like 100kg...

I still maintain that women who would be ideal for this BW range get funneled into athletics/throwing instead.