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W58: I strongly agree the jury should never overrule 3 whites/red, but it also seemed to be deliberate bar movement. But then Kim also waited more seconds for the bar to calm down again so I'm not sure what to think tbh.

I think the jury went bonkers because she did it twice. Usually it's just once, which you could contextualize as "merely breathing".

Wow, Italy with 2 out of competition on 3 athletes. Nice job! XD

In powerlifting the jury can overturn only with 2-1, it seems like a good idea to apply it to weightlifting as well.

M79 summary

• Less exciting than M71. I guess 71 is closer to 73.
• Continuing the trend of ever increasing strictness in refereeing, shaking overhead is now illegal.
• JUNIANSYAH Rizki INA has not filled out 79, which is not surprising and doesn't matter because he still won. My predictions about his shape were about right, though I sort of expected him to make his 3rd at 162. Thems the breaks
• ELSAYED ABDELRAHMAN Younes EGY underperfomed on the scoreboard, but I think the calls were extermely harsh. IMO the best lifter on the day (pending), but I am not surprised his competition results do not match his training results. We will see what happens as he gets more intl sr comp experience.
• PRK continuing to look below their best.

erpel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 6:04 am W58: I strongly agree the jury should never overrule 3 whites/red, but it also seemed to be deliberate bar movement. But then Kim also waited more seconds for the bar to calm down again so I'm not sure what to think tbh.
I think the jury went bonkers because she did it twice. Usually it's just once, which you could contextualize as "merely breathing".

She opens her mouth to breathe and brace twice. It could be deliberate, but setting your rack twice if you don't get it right the first time is something that is not rare in the clean and jerk. As you said, she waits for the bar to calm slightly. It is a poorly written rule, you can't know.

Elle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 7:31 pm Wow, Italy with 2 out of competition on 3 athletes. Nice job! XD
In powerlifting the jury can overturn only with 2-1, it seems like a good idea to apply it to weightlifting as well.

What are their results domestically?
Filipazzo 107 looked extremely heavy in the jerk, maybe she had to cut weight.
Martinez's snatches looked too heavy at this bodyweight category.

strapping wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:51 pm

• ELSAYED ABDELRAHMAN Younes EGY underperfomed on the scoreboard, but I think the calls were extermely harsh. IMO the best lifter on the day (pending), but I am not surprised his competition results do not match his training results. We will see what happens as he gets more intl sr comp experience.

I didn't understand his second call at 198. It's true, it came from a wrong 198, but I would have tried to play for the silver.

strapping wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 10:51 pm What are their results domestically?
Filipazzo 107 looked extremely heavy in the jerk, maybe she had to cut weight.
Martinez's snatches looked too heavy at this bodyweight category.

Filippazzo's best are 100-115 in 58kg category, I think.
Yes, Martinez competed in 89 and 81kg last years so he had to cut a lot.

Starting to understand how old timers felt after 1992 and subsequent records. To me 123 is not a WR at 75/76/77.

W77
REEVES Olivia USA lift good. Will need time to fill out the category, BW 73.57. WR as expected,
AHMED Sara EGY left her best lifts in the training hall, but would never have been able to push Reeves.
SANCHEZ Mari COL back to her usual shape.

M88
No real surprises, LOPEZ Jeison COL won handily.
The battle I was hoping to see for medals didn't end up happening.

W86
KOANDA Solfrid NOR lifted reasonably, looks to be affected by something.
MEJIA Yudelina DOM lifted well and made it an interesting battle with Koanda. Fantastic snatch save on her 122.
CIKAMATANA Eileen AUS still looks to be affected by injury.

M94
NASAR Karlos BUL looks as if his "improved" snatch technique hasn't been dialed in. Still wins because he is Nasar, though by less than I was expecting. I get the vague feeling something is affecting him.
MOEINI Alireza IRI 182 snatch WR was half unexpected.
Seems as if there wasn't much of a battle for best of the rest attempt selection, people just did what they wanted and succeeded or failed.

erpel wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 3:04 pm Starting to understand how old timers felt after 1992 and subsequent records. To me 123 is not a WR at 75/76/77.

As discussed previously, the way the standards were figured out was largely stupid. It is due to more to incompetence and lack of care than anything else.
However, I feel that 123-126 is worthy of a WR at this weight category, in these circumstances. Zabolotnaya 135 was probably done with jet fuel and effectively no testing, meaning probably around 123-125 cycling off and 115 clean by rough estimation. Podobedova before her had the same stuff going on.

The heavier women's categories are probably the categories most able to exploit the benefit of anabolics given that filling out the heavier categories with muscle is extremely difficult.

I mean, Liao Guifang just did 125@76 in May. Why isn't that the standard (i.e. 126 WR)? The 2018 WRs hadn't matured yet. Even Valentin ESP did 124 at 74.xx in ancient times of 2014.
I'm not arguing for a return of the Russian-Kazakh triumvirate.

Seems as if there wasn't much of a battle for best of the rest attempt selection, people just did what they wanted and succeeded or failed.

I think the second Iranian tried to force BUL for an even bigger WR with that 219 attempt (Naser needed like 224? then).
Also Naser bombed out on snatch before, not sure why people forgot. He only weighed 91.xx which is ???

Tian Tao could've won this class (175/225).

strapping wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 9:16 pmW86

I still don't like this class. It's patronizing. Would we accept a 120 male class where men would constantly lift equal or less than at 110?
I'm flabbergasted why this is seemingly still poorly understood by the powers in charge. Either the top class needs to be lower, or importantly, the distance towards the lower one needs to be wider. 77 is too high, the women there are already too strong. Nobody in the 77-???-SHW range consistently does 130/165+ to justify this extra space.

As an experiment a female 100kg class would probably work to close the gap towards SHW (aka Chinese women named Li). But it would throw any kind of relative increase in body structure out the window.

Well get ready for both 77 and 86 to be in LA, and 58 to miss out.

erpel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 7:33 am I still don't like this class. It's patronizing. Would we accept a 120 male class where men would constantly lift equal or less than at 110?

Yes because some people would get their feelings hurt that 110 doesn't perfectly fit them on an individual level, whilst underperforming the supers and blaming bodyweight difference instead of lack of talent as the defining factor. The same applies to W86 and especially those who argue for heavier categories (e.g. M120-125, W90-95).

Of course, I am being facetious. The entire reason why we have 86 now and why we would have 120 if it ever comes around is simply politics.

erpel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 7:33 am I'm flabbergasted why this is seemingly still poorly understood by the powers in charge.

A mixture of stupidity, lack of care and a large serving of political self interest. Any data driven approach will get FUBAR'd by the executive board before approval.

erpel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 7:33 am Either the top class needs to be lower, or importantly, the distance towards the lower one needs to be wider. 77 is too high, the women there are already too strong. Nobody in the 77-???-SHW range consistently does 130/165+ to justify this extra space.

As an experiment a female 100kg class would probably work to close the gap towards SHW (aka Chinese women named Li). But it would throw any kind of relative increase in body structure out the window.

I think this would be interesting and that's why I'm not totally against a heavier top women's category (e.g. 90kg or heavier). As I mentioned earlier, I think the big barrier to heavier non-SHW outlifting 70-75kg is largely an inability to accrue enough muscle mass to offset the difference in specific strength from talent (which in turn is reflective of # of lifters in that body size range). A larger category could offset some of that difference, though I would expect in most cases they will not lift much more than the ~75kg lifters.

erpel wrote: ↑Fri Oct 10, 2025 6:28 am I mean, Liao Guifang just did 125@76 in May. Why isn't that the standard (i.e. 126 WR)? The 2018 WRs hadn't matured yet. Even Valentin ESP did 124 at 74.xx in ancient times of 2014.
I'm not arguing for a return of the Russian-Kazakh triumvirate.

The WRs were set deliberately low, which I don't inherently disagree with. Better to set them low than to have unbroken records through the lifespan of the category (@W87). However, the overall methodology was stupid. Spare yourself the headache of trying to use logic to decipher the actions of politicians, it is what it is.