Hawkpeter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:33 am
China finally looked mortal - more so than I can recall at a major even for some time.
You can't rely on talent pool forever if you're making bad decisions and lacking adaptability.
One thing that confused me is why they sent Ding Hongjie. Why? What reason is there to send him? He placed 17th.
Hawkpeter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:33 am
Speaking of mortal, have we seen the peak for Lasha? That 500 sinclair looks like it will never occur now.
The 500kg total pipedream that people put up certainly won't. Lasha is entering the Rezazadeh 2 era of his career, I guess.
The fact that he did 215+245 the way he did in the training hall and people thought he was in shape to even match his old lifts was... lacking sense.
Hawkpeter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:33 am I know travel and altitude was significant but were lifters genuinely concerned about ITA testing at Worlds? Lifters were down on the whole with few exceptions.
I think this is a factor for sure, I just forgot to mention it in my list of factors.
Hawkpeter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:33 am It seemed like a lot of heavy attempts were made in the training hall and not reciprocated on the platform.
Lifting heavy shortly before a competition is rarely an effective strategy, especially when recovery is at a premium (altitude related hypoxia).
Nevertheless, people persevere with the idea that "supercompensation" can be achieved by throwing an athlete in front of a moving train before giving them a few days rest.
Hawkpeter wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:33 am
Did Italy pattern what we are going to end up seeing from everyone during these qualifiers. Open heavy and yeet everything. Made Rostami look sensible.
To be fair, Rostami WAS sensible. Evil Rostami gone, good Rostami returned?
erpel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:02 am l) Cikamatana AUS should've won something by now considering how often her name comes up.
Personal bias as we're friendly. I never put her up to win the session, simply to be a contender at the less competitive 87 if she had a good day and hit 110+145. Certainly not a winner at 81 for Worlds.
As to what happens on the social media side of things, I will leave that to others.
erpel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:02 am o) Sending lifters to just weigh in - at the WWC - is obnoxious. Leave Shi, Tian, Djuraev at home. Do it at the World Cup if you have to.
Bogota is known for its sport fishing. Are Havana and Doha good for it? I would assume so given they're both by the water. We might see a few more of these.
The qualifying document is written as simply as possible as instructed and unfortunately there's no way to prevent a federation from sending a lifter to do a token total, unless you have a system like the so-called Robi points. Even then - there were token weigh-ins (e.g. Lidia Valentin @ 87),
The powers that be were not keen on such a system, and a similar system to the Tokyo qualifying system was rejected. As a fan of the sport however, it does indeed suck.
erpel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:02 am Where is Zhang Wangli. Why did China do this to me.
Sorry but the 150 Clean + Jerk @65.14 Zhang Wangli is gone, the only Zhang Wangli left is perpetually not in shape/injured Chinese woman Zhang Wangli.
erpel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:02 am Koreans have the worst gap between superior clean strength and awful jerk positions. It's bizarre how so many of their lifters have the same jerk pattern of failure. No lock, slightly forward or backward, no strength to hold it? Pick your poison. And it's a systemic issue.
I don't think Koreans jerk poorly because of their positions, I think they jerk into poor positions at heavy weights because they focus too much on slow strength work and don't train the rhythm, reactive strength and stiffness that is necessary in the jerk. The rhythm of many South Korean lifters is poor compared to past lifters. Crashy snatches/cleans, pulling and praying etc. There is a lack of connectedness and finishing the movement in all 3 lifts.
In the absence of leg power and stiffness, they turn it into a push press lunge. Despite their well muscled upper bodies (particularly triceps), you can only do so much to hold such a heavy bar overhead without any substantial lower limb and trunk support. I'm not advocating for muscleless wonders, but there's only so much that slow strength exercise can achieve in a speed-strength sport.
The same applies to China. Luo Shifang's jerk technique has moved backwards. Wang Zhouyu is the exception, both to "Chinese technique" and to the systems strengths and weaknesses. Li Dayin surprised me by not being injured but his jerk is still not exactly how I would teach someone to push jerk, much less how to actually jerk.
erpel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:02 am h) The sessions were at night here and I still haven't watched several.
I've only been able to catch a few full sessions to be honest, I've skimmed through others after looking at the scoreboard. Been busy sleeping or working during almost every session.
