2023 IWF Senior World Championships

[Elle]

ITA good lifting and finally not opening at 100%.

What about Celine Delia? XD

She did 80-111 at the Italian Championships in june and 84-110 at the junior European championships in july. This is her first senior world championships, maybe she was too nervous? She is really strong, I hope she will refine her technique, in the future could be a very very very good lifter.

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M61A

• Li Fabin doesn't look in peak form, hasn't done since 2019. I was surprised 146 was so close.
• Italy did well not to open Massidda at 100%, this positive point will not be a trend (edit: I wrote this prior to seeing W55 results, not surprised).
• Meanwhile USA
• The two MAS lifters snuck into 9th and 11th from the C and D sessions, respectively. 9th of 291 sneaks into top 10.
• Success rate was back in the red zone, making up for the Women's 49s.

Non comp points

• I ended up being technically correct about the start book - a new one was quietly published 2023.09.03 with full details.
• I guess I was wrong about Shi Zhiyong's shape. He's still not at his best IMO and we're yet to see him clean and jerk, but he looks better than I expected. Ditto but less so for Pizzolato.
• Still think E sessions with 10 lifters is an obnoxious waste of everyone's times. Make bigger sessions.
• We will see a few more big results from B, C or D sessions.

Jiang muy bueno. Hou needs 97+119 to get #1 rank and I don't think she can do both lifts on the same day.
Romania sucks. No, I will not elaborate.

Agreed on all three/four points. Elsewhere I gave the exact same numbers and rationale for why it's unlikely (but possible) she can overtake Jiang, but Jiang is the clear favourite. I think a fair few of the current Chinese lifters can't put together a great snatch day with a great clean and jerk day, Shi Zhiyong is an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sso8Qqf___A

Hot points:
- Giulia regrets failing the 101, because "era necessario come il pane" (= it was necessary like bread).
- the first snatch attempt at 80 was very good, so the strategy was to go up to 85. The first try at 85 was off not because of a technical error but for lack of determination. The second try was good because Giulia was wery determinated.
- the clean at 98 was more difficult than the clean at 101. She failed the jerk because she was too hasty because she felt the clean "too well".
- after 101 Giulia should have been back on the platform immediately. So they chose to go up to 103, because she felt could do it.
- the clean at 103 was too high (lack of rythm) and maybe not concentrated enough.
- the first goal of the competition was 185 (so why starting at 98 and do 101?).
- she has the quality to do 190-191.

Imperio's jerk looks worse now than it used to. Just disconnected. As usual, none of her cleans are actively fixed onto her shoulders, resulting in balance issues. She should be able to stand up a 103 clean, even a shit one, with her leg strength.

[erpel]

*There's no A group on the 12th, what's up with that? I remember pause days from Games type competitions, but never a WWC.

*The summaries/articles the IWF posts (not the ItG cross posts) are actually valuable now since they employ translators!

*I remember the Tokyo stream had an ambient/audience audio option. I require this here as well.

[Elle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcf7vcyTw0

Hot points
- Sergio faced the competiton in a more coolness than the Europeans;
- Li Fabin seems reachable now;
- Sergio still has to grow in terms of strength and technique, especially with regards to the jerk;
- The jerk has improved a lot thanks to the work on the lower limbs, which have become unbalanced in the transition from youth to maturity;
- The second jerk failed because there was no tension in the back and in the abs;
- US coaches asked Corbu to help them improve Morris's snatch;
- Corbu is convinced of Massidda's qualification to the point that they will no longer compete in 61kg except at the Olympics;
- Celine Delia's problem was emotional: she suffered a lot in her first senior competition (she couldn't close his hands on the barbell for the fear);
- In the gym Celine did numbers very close to the junior world record;

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I remember the Tokyo stream had an ambient/audience audio option. I require this here as well.

i agree with this on a molecular level

Hot points
- Sergio faced the competiton in a more coolness than the Europeans;
- Li Fabin seems reachable now;

Do you mean he was calmer than the Europeans at the WWC, or was calmer in this competition than he was at European championships?
Fabin is less of a freak than his 2018-current record suggests, his success is partially due to the fact that his best competitors have all fallen off and gotten old.

I agree that Fabin is reachable, especially if he has a mediocre competition and Masidda has a good day out. But IMO Massidda needs 6/6 to beat Fabin, which I don't think the Italian team will do.

- Sergio still has to grow in terms of strength and technique, especially with regards to the jerk;
- The jerk has improved a lot thanks to the work on the lower limbs, which have become unbalanced in the transition from youth to maturity;
- The second jerk failed because there was no tension in the back and in the abs;
- Corbu is convinced of Massidda's qualification to the point that they will no longer compete in 61kg except at the Olympics;

I think his jerk overall is not great in terms of positional strength - he has a tendency to lean quite forward and doesn't use his abs and hips in the catch, with a stumpy split. His legs are strong enough to support it at moderate/heavy-ish weights but it becomes a problem at the top end weights. 302 is well safe, no need to cut as long as he doesn't get overweight.

- US coaches asked Corbu to help them improve Morris's snatch;

Is the problem not simple? He tries to snatch without lifting the barbell, a very difficult task to achieve. Develop pulling power and connection to the bar.

- Celine Delia's problem was emotional: she suffered a lot in her first senior competition (she couldn't close his hands on the barbell for the fear);
- In the gym Celine did numbers very close to the junior world record;

This is why one should not open at 100% of their competition best lifts. Training and competition are different, it makes zero (perhaps even negative) sense to open a young and emotional lifter so heavy based on competition bests, regardless of results in training.

I feel bad for her, as with any young lifter faced with coaching bravado that clearly doesn't work out.

[Elle]

Do you mean he was calmer than the Europeans at the WWC, or was calmer in this competition than he was at European championships?

He was calmer yesterday than at Europeans

[erpel]

alternative CCTV5 stream, currently live with M67:

https://www.olehdtv.com/index.php/vod/p ... nid/1.html

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W59

• Overall numbers disappointing but the intrateam battles were interesting.
• This weight class has some of the most bizarre class changes. STERCKX Nina BEL should have been a 59kg lifter years ago, she looks like she did at 49kg without being malnourished. ANDO Elreen PHI can't compete with DIAZ Hidilyn PHI at 59kg, especially when Ando's BW naturally sits above 64.
• USA and Italian attempt selection continues to be ???
• As in the previous and future classes, overperformances from the B and C group within the top 10 (or top 10+, ignoring China and Ukraine).

[Elle]

• USA and Italian attempt selection continues to be ???

At least Magistris did not bombed out this time

Her opening attempts were quite lighter than before (at the WC in Colombia she opened at 98-115. at the EC she opened at 95 and at the GP in Cuba she opened at 100-117). I think that the primary goal was to make her finish a competition and enter in the ranking list and then try to push (even if not in perfedt shape, in my opinion).

According to my calculations the qualification threshold should be 221 now. Very difficult to reach for Lucrezia.

[erpel]

My perception of the Italian approach is: the men and women receive an equally steep hill to climb when their capabilities don't match, possibly due to the women being younger still. I don't know whether they share coaches or if this is perhaps even a guideline from the NOC (i.e. we expect equal rankings from both genders).

This is the WR, this is what China is doing, this is a medal, this is top 10. I think that's what's on the coaches mind and they unsuccessfully try to brute force it for the women.