2023 China Nationals (April)

[Elle]

Thank you for the links!

is it my impression or is the European level getting very close to the Chinese one?

Until a few years ago there would have been no competition.

[erpel]

The National team (i.e. the best lifters) who train/live in Beijing at the NTC didn't compete here, so the representative totals will only be shown at the Asian champs in ~2 weeks. It's not possible to peak twice in such a short time and since the AWC is important for Olympic qualification the National champs were skipped.

Though it can be argued the Chinese team has become weaker after the retirement of the likes of Long Qingquan, Lyu Xiaojun, Xiang Yanmei, Deng Wei, Kang Yue etc. with their "replacements" not up to those peak standards.

[strapping]

I don't think she can develop that. Even at 76 now (and not a junior for some time) she still struggles with 135+. And for 81 she would need 145+, assuming she snatches 125-130.

It was meant 90% jokingly, 10% seriously. I totally agree that she will never be actually strong relative to classics. Even then, a major weakness of hers is shitting the bed in comp which IMO could be partially ameliorated through BW and strength.

[strapping]

I don't think she can develop that. Even at 76 now (and not a junior for some time) she still struggles with 135+. And for 81 she would need 145+, assuming she snatches 125-130.

It was meant 90% jokingly, 10% seriously. I totally agree that she will never be actually strong relative to classics. Even then, a major weakness of hers is shitting the bed in comp which IMO could be partially ameliorated through BW and strength.
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Though it can be argued the Chinese team has become weaker after the retirement of the likes of Long Qingquan, Lyu Xiaojun, Xiang Yanmei, Deng Wei, Kang Yue etc. with their "replacements" not up to those peak standards.

This is basically a fact. Shi Zhiyong and Li Wenwen are the only two newer generation of Chinese lifters who've proved they were on the same level.

[erpel]

Add Yang Zhe, Li Yajun, Zhang Wangli (arguably too young for retirement), even the skinny Wu Jingbiao (139@56). Imagine what the latter could've pushed the 61 snatch record to.

It remains to be seen what totals Tian Tao and (dehydrated) Chen Lijun can return to.

With all that said it also leads to more interesting international competitions as we can see today in e.g. the W71 or W81 class.

[Hawkpeter]

Damn, Zhang Wangli retired? "I Did But See Her Passing By…And Yet I’ll Love Her Till I Die"

[strapping]

Add Yang Zhe, Li Yajun, Zhang Wangli (arguably too young for retirement), even the skinny Wu Jingbiao (139@56). Imagine what the latter could've pushed the 61 snatch record to.

It remains to be seen what totals Tian Tao and (dehydrated) Chen Lijun can return to.

With all that said it also leads to more interesting international competitions as we can see today in e.g. the W71 or W81 class.

Jingbiao snatched 145 at almost 61 in training before he retired, but struggled to gain appropriate BW and decided to retire and focus on coaching. I had the same question when he wasn't on the 2018 world team.

Zhang Wangli unfortunately had a Jacques Villeneuve career trajectory.

HE Yueji being put on 67kg on the asians entry, I hope is a sign of hey we're finally letting this kid eat lunch and not just politics/limited spots in m61 (it wont be)

[erpel]

What was this thread about? Oh, right: Lu Delin snatched 175@89 and tried 180, but lost it behind.

He & Ding @ 67 @ AWC are still 61 backups, me thinks. They just can't enter more than 2 per class. One of the three 89s will probably (hopefully?) also weigh in @ 96.

Also, not sure how many people watched it, but China has another girl SHW called Li now, born 2004, who also snatches 140. WTF?

[strapping]

my skimmed video first impression recap:

W49: avg china behaviour, W49 C team > all non China results
W55: rip category
W59: rip chen guiming, sliding back in performance and no longer on the national team. 103x for guangdong lifter Zhou Xiaojing was a very rough call IMO
W64: rip deng wei
W71: thank u yang qiuxia for showing W71 can snatch almost as much as deng wei. c+j results unspectacular
W81: cant rewatch, video was hidden
W87: W71 repeated but heavier bw
W87+: Li Yan '04 is good, Sun Yongjie is a Li Wenwen from ebay (she can be world champion if Li Wenwen gets Moulaei'd)

M55: jia xionghui moved back down, 125/131x/131x + 142x bomb, looked to be in serious pain
M61: no internationally notable anything
m67: chen jian and zhong yuanlong had a good battle with 149+173 (175x) and 148+175 respectively, a few more CJ attempts (unsuccessful) up to 180
m73: uninteresting by standards of chn and world history (recent, not just historical)
m81: better than i expected but as above
m89: lu delin snatches and clean and jerks as expected, 171/175/180x + 195x/195 shitty make/198 pretty good. tho tbf i expected 175/180x/180x
m96: not interesting
m102: i would say this is uninteresting but if world levels drop enough in this bw cat, maybe these guys could be the other best lifters.
m109: not interesting