2022 IWF World Championships - Bogotá, Colombia

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I too think Sara Ahmed should go for 71, with Chinese uncertainty around 71. It's not so much that any/every Chinese 81 is better, more that I feel like she wouldn't benefit much in the total going up to 81.

Lesman Paredes from "Bahrain" (maybe holding a long term training camp with his Colombian coach and Colombian friends in Colombia), I think could genuinely do great things in the M102s if the muscle mass went to his legs and (particularly) his back. His delts and arms are big enough already.

[erpel]

New conspiracy: Bahrain paid other countries (*cough* UZB) to stay away from 102.

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New conspiracy: Bahrain paid other countries (*cough* UZB) to stay away from 102.

is this yust yokes or is this an actual rumour going around

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Just banter for now.

[Guima73]

https://www.sportivnypress.com/2022/the ... pionships/

Mr Charniga and his usual comments..

[brian.degennaro]

This wasn't the worst from Bud. I think his observations were more on the mark than in past competitions. I don't believe altitude was the issue that everyone was making it out to be. I think lifters taking maximal hang and classic lifts so close to competition and being overly ambitious was largely the cause for the flurry of failed attempts. It's one thing to hit a maximum in the training hall and go 3/3 in the same lift on the platform, and another to not go 3/3 and lift even less in competition than one did in the training hall.

I think the jury and the stringent enforcement of a "pressout" rule contributed to the high number of failed lifts as well. Bud makes an argument for the elbow flickers being a natural phenomenon with regards to the flexibility of the barbell and reactive stability from the upper extremities. The hypothesis sounds very plausible. I also believe that in the last decade judging has become significantly more strict unnecessarily compared to lifts I have seen passed from videos in the 70s-00s.

[Guima73]

Regarding the attitude excuse, I agree. The press out, well.. Locked elbows don't leave any doubts.
Was expecting a little better from team Italy but besides Miserendino and Massida, they all looked a bit off.. Ficco making 160 easily in the training hall and bombing with 165,well...

[brian.degennaro]

...Locked elbows don't leave any doubts...

Except the refs and jury have taken exception to that in recent years. I've never seen a jury get so involved overturning lifts like in the last decade. I don't think this is a technical issue with the athletes for the most part. Elbow flickers have been around forever, it is only recently they are being policed to the degree they are.

[Hawkpeter]

Never change Mr Charniga, never change.

My conjecture worth mentioning in regards to the number of missed lifts is the nature of the qualifying for Paris. We could continue to see a lot of lifters opening quite heavy at a lot of competitions - certainly among lifters who are the bottom end of A sessions and the top end of B sessions. These are the lifters who could snag a Paris qualifying spot if they can produce an outlier performance. For them its worth it.

It also seemed like the judging returned to the standard we saw in Tokyo. Very strict. I have zero insight to how and why this seems to happen but the 2021 Worlds by contrast seemed much less strict.

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I think lifters taking maximal hang and classic lifts so close to competition and being overly ambitious was largely the cause for the flurry of failed attempts. It's one thing to hit a maximum in the training hall and go 3/3 in the same lift on the platform, and another to not go 3/3 and lift even less in competition than one did in the training hall.

This.

I think Charniga makes too big a deal of theorycrafting minor details like the negative motor learning of push presses on the jerk, and not enough on "lifter is tired because they lifted 105% in the training hall a few days before".

This is conjecture but I suspect that whilst the hypoxic conditions were overblown for training, they affected inter-session recovery. Hypoxic conditions are a stressor, and increase sympathetic nervous system tone + decrease parasympathetic nervous system tone.

Subjectively, a lot of the lifters just looked flat. There was no power in their finish (particularly snatch/jerk), poor balance, poorer speed and so on. These are all markers of fatigue before someone really knows they feel like shit.

The notion of "supercompensation" in peaking (as opposed to simply fitness-fatigue) has normalised the notion that a lifter should feel like they have been wrapped in foil and microwaved right before a competition. Just take a day or two off, you'll "supercompensate".

Don't get me wrong, you can feel terrible and perform well (and vice versa) but feeling like shit and underperforming might be leaving a clue.

What are you gaining anyway from going flat out before a competition? There is minimal physiological adaptive benefit, significant risk of excess fatigue. You can make the argument that it's psychologically important, but I would argue that feeling good is also psychologically important. I would also argue that you shouldn't need to lift 95+% 3 days out to feel psychologically prepared.

Bud makes an argument for the elbow flickers being a natural phenomenon with regards to the flexibility of the barbell and reactive stability from the upper extremities. The hypothesis sounds very plausible.

I think this is plausible in the recovery phase when a lifter loses balance and unconsciously tries to bring the bar back into the base of support and forgets to continue pushing hard on the bar.

However, most elbow flickers I think were down to poor timing and subsequent barbell crash exceeding the RFD capacity of the upper limb into the bar, especially when it was a tiny bit in front. More broadly, I see this kind of issue occur when people have a lack of stiffness/high RFD isometric strength in their thoracic/cervical spine, uppy scapular muscles and rotator cuff, compared to deltoid, biceps and triceps strength.

South Korea is a good example. Strict press in front/behind, push presses, squat presses, bench press, incline presses, weighted pushups and many other exercises for "overhead strength". But concentric strength at low RFD is different to isometric strength at high RFD.

It also seemed like the judging returned to the standard we saw in Tokyo. Very strict. I have zero insight to how and why this seems to happen but the 2021 Worlds by contrast seemed much less strict.

I think the jury and the stringent enforcement of a "pressout" rule contributed to the high number of failed lifts as well.

I can't prove it but I suspect this is in part due to some members on the Technical Committee, jury etc. Some of them are old and haven't continued training, maybe they simply forgot what it's like to hold a heavy bar overhead.

There are individuals on the committee who seem to get off on red-lighting elbow flicker (amongst other technical infractions) at both international and local level.

Of course, it's also about ensuring one's non-redundancy. If you don't have a problem to solve, you don't get to travel overseas and live the high life on the federation's dime.