2022 IWF World Championships - Bogotá, Colombia

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Re: 2022 IWF World Championships - Bogotá, Colombia

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Content wise, this is the least worst Charniga article in some time. It started out okay but about halfway through I got the impression that he couldn't be bothered any more.

It's nice that Bud got to go to Colombia but though to be honest, I wish that he could have written something about the English language commentary. Mostly for entertainment value.
There were about 50 platforms in the training hall. What was missing; for instance, were the number of disciplined teams from communist or post communist countries. In the well – lit training hall in Thailand, for example, the PRK team separated the female team from the men; likewise the Chinese, i.e., for the people who were there to do well; this is a very serious business. Why would it be a problem intermingling the sexes? I don’t know; with young fit girls stretching and twisting about in tights and halter tops; no distractions there?
A boom box playing music while a team trained?
The actual fuck is he saying? I'm confused. Is he being a misogynistic and angry old man or is he simply writing unreadable English?
non-specific exercises are verboten
I half agree with this.

I don't think that as Charniga's assertion that snatch push press, straight leg snatches or static back extensions are the work of Satan.
But I do think they're largely unnecessary and should be used for exercise-induced analgesic effects to help lifters feel good, not to tire them or somehow add strength days before competition.

The big squats and pulls (lets be honest, deadlifts with a shrug) in training prior to competition are unnecessary as well and carry with them fatigue. But not inherently detrimental outside of the fatigue cost, on both a local and global level.

The nonsense of small muscle activation in push presses is a criticism I agree with. China's obsession with Western functional training and physiotherapists who appear decades out of date, is akin to Westerners being weeaboos. Altering the isolated muscular contributions and timing in a dynamic movement without altering the movement entirely is a foolish uphill battle.
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Re: 2022 IWF World Championships - Bogotá, Colombia

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Altitude is a convenient conversation diffuser, but it's not crucial. Ascribing any given win or loss to it is lazy.
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Re: 2022 IWF World Championships - Bogotá, Colombia

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The successful heavy clean and jerks of this worlds seemed to be reps that the lifter had their eyes on in isolation from the rest of the competition - I'm thinking of Abdullah and Nasar.

I'd have to look hard at the data but it would be curious to see what general trends were actually occurring at this worlds, but the altitude almost certainly was a systemic stressor. Having said that, the effects become psychological at some point. Lifters are regularly capable of ignoring all sorts of things - short clocks, crowd noise, pain and injuries, shitty coaching; but they go out there all the time and just make the gawd-damn rep. I have no doubt that in Abdullah and Nasar's minds, there was no friggin way they were coming back from Colombia without hitting those monster jerks. More lifters, even at the highest level, could take direction from that when applying themselves, especially to the 1st and 2nd attempt C&J reps which should be far more successful than what I believe we saw.
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Re: 2022 IWF World Championships - Bogotá, Colombia

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I think Bud just misses the old days where Soviet and Bulgarian system lifters could use all the juice they could while testing clean/bribing officials. It's likely China was in the same boat before the 00's (when they also owned every female WL record).

Sure, he's Ukranian if I remember correctly.

I have heard other Ukrainian coaches and lifters poo-poo the Chinese system. And it seems like a question at hand is which elite lifters from UKR have not ever been sanctioned?

I don't think anyone would ever question whether Kelly was on the sauce except maybe, just maybe some strength work might have kept her elbows from going snap city twice.

Of course, shit happens with heavy weights and it's almost impossible to know the state of tendons or muscles or bones exactly without semi frequent testing (MRI etc). A lifter may feel pain but not to how much the tendon has been torn.


Some typical old man whinging about things have changed.

I'm not a fan of the grip and rip but it definitely works for some.
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