Post minor internationals, non-IWF events or non-China national competitions here.
Chinese Nationals is too big to be minor, excluding men's heavyweights + supers.
Minor competition thread
Re: Minor competition thread
Entries for the December Grand Prix already online with over 800 names, though I bet only a fraction will be in the start book:
https://mf.iwf.sport/entry_list/
Includes PRK (why?).
https://mf.iwf.sport/entry_list/
Includes PRK (why?).
Re: Minor competition thread
As you say, there are 805 names but there will absolutely not be 805 lifters. For one, Francisco Mosquera is an unlikely competitor.erpel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:11 pm Entries for the December Grand Prix already online with over 800 names, though I bet only a fraction will be in the start book:
https://mf.iwf.sport/entry_list/
Includes PRK (why?).
The IWF is has no legal power to prevent PRK entries. We will have to see if PRK lifters remain entered after VFE.
The IOC *could* potentially force PRK into qualification via Universality places but I doubt they will do so. It's not worth it for the IOC.
The IWF could potentially alter the qualifying document, but that would appear to be political suicide.
I will look in more detail when I have time but upon first glance, there are some silly entry totals (which I hope will be pulled down) and silly weight classes.
Pizzolato ITA will not do 390 and may not even do 370 (see: WWC 2023), Boady Santavy entered with 340@89 will have Rybakou-ratio lifts due to a total lack of leg strength, Arley Mendez is entered which is... interesting.
Re: Minor competition thread
Autumn in China (another Nationals). Day 2 for women already underway:
W45 won with 84/103/187 (WWC gold = 179)
W49 89/109/198 (Zhao Jinhong)
W55 98/120/218 (Su Tingting)
W59 102/126/228 (Luo Xiaomin)
W64 104/125/229 (Fang Lin)
W71 121/144/265 (Yang Qiuxia)
W76 120/129/249 (Peng Cuiting)
W81 118/141/259 (Wu Yan)
W87 116/145/261 (Jiang Yujia)
I can get full replays if anyone cares (VPN still valid!). Though perhaps lyuxiaojunbarbell uploads them to YT first.
W71 121 snatch equals the WR:
W45 won with 84/103/187 (WWC gold = 179)
W49 89/109/198 (Zhao Jinhong)
W55 98/120/218 (Su Tingting)
W59 102/126/228 (Luo Xiaomin)
W64 104/125/229 (Fang Lin)
W71 121/144/265 (Yang Qiuxia)
W76 120/129/249 (Peng Cuiting)
W81 118/141/259 (Wu Yan)
W87 116/145/261 (Jiang Yujia)
I can get full replays if anyone cares (VPN still valid!). Though perhaps lyuxiaojunbarbell uploads them to YT first.
W71 121 snatch equals the WR:
Last edited by erpel on Sun Oct 22, 2023 6:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Minor competition thread
I saw the Yang Qiuxia 121 somewhere yesterday, good lift in a stacked class. She is only unfortunate that her competitor is Liao Guifang, just like Zhang Wangli and Deng Wei.
Peng Cuiting continues to be Chinese Rybakou but without leg strength or attempt consistency (to be fair, she is lifting 11ty% of her squat). Maybe Chinese Aimé Terme is more accurate.
Su Tingting's 98+120 @ W55 is a reasonable performance and continues to beg the question of why she (or any real W55) wasn't sent to Asian Games.
Maybe political issues? Surely not whereabouts and anti-doping regulations if North Korea was allowed to compete.
Peng Cuiting continues to be Chinese Rybakou but without leg strength or attempt consistency (to be fair, she is lifting 11ty% of her squat). Maybe Chinese Aimé Terme is more accurate.
Su Tingting's 98+120 @ W55 is a reasonable performance and continues to beg the question of why she (or any real W55) wasn't sent to Asian Games.
Maybe political issues? Surely not whereabouts and anti-doping regulations if North Korea was allowed to compete.
Re: Minor competition thread
W87+:
Sun Yongjie and Li Yan (*2004) both snatched 145. Li added a 165 clean & jerk. Sun Yongjie won with her opener of 171. She then tried 188 for a NR/WR, cleaned it (again) but injured possibly both her elbows in the jerk. This is the third arm injury (Li Wenwen, Liao Guifang) for a major CHN lifter during just a few months.
INJURY INCLUDED
Sun Yongjie and Li Yan (*2004) both snatched 145. Li added a 165 clean & jerk. Sun Yongjie won with her opener of 171. She then tried 188 for a NR/WR, cleaned it (again) but injured possibly both her elbows in the jerk. This is the third arm injury (Li Wenwen, Liao Guifang) for a major CHN lifter during just a few months.
INJURY INCLUDED
Re: Minor competition thread
Can't clearly tell from this video angle, but I feel like the mechanism of elbow injury in this jerk appears different to Liao Guifang/Li Wenwen's injuries, as well as occurring in a different lift.
I'm not willing to put it down completely to coincidence, especially as the precipitating factors in a lifter that make elbow injury more likely in the snatch are typically also present in the jerk. This paper gives a good overview of mechanisms for elbow injury.
In general with respect to WL technique, my guess is you'd find that most serious elbow injuries (as opposed to pain or tendinopathy) occur when there is uncontrolled movement of the bar, typically backwards and a large downward impact (as occurred here). There is also the consideration of things such as time to fixation/stabilisation of both the elbows and the shoulders/rest of the body. If the body is not producing the stiffness necessary to stop and support the bar, there is no control.
My hypothesis is that an overfocus on getting the bar back behind the head increases posterior translation and posterolateral rotational forces, in combination with an overfocus on getting under the bar instead of pulling/pushing up and minimising the downward impulsive force in the catch is a contributing factor to these injuries (see: Charniga Jr.)
China does teach "internal rotation" of the shoulders (which is really just scapular retraction) as opposed to "external" rotation (really just supporting more through the serratus anterior/anterior delts), but it is not a fix because to get into that position requires more rearward movement of the barbell. This is not to support external rotation. Deliberate external rotation would likely increase risk of elbow injury, especially with a lot of rearward bar momentum.
S&C for the elbow/forearm/wrist might reduce risk of injury by making those structures more robust.
I'm not willing to put it down completely to coincidence, especially as the precipitating factors in a lifter that make elbow injury more likely in the snatch are typically also present in the jerk. This paper gives a good overview of mechanisms for elbow injury.
In general with respect to WL technique, my guess is you'd find that most serious elbow injuries (as opposed to pain or tendinopathy) occur when there is uncontrolled movement of the bar, typically backwards and a large downward impact (as occurred here). There is also the consideration of things such as time to fixation/stabilisation of both the elbows and the shoulders/rest of the body. If the body is not producing the stiffness necessary to stop and support the bar, there is no control.
My hypothesis is that an overfocus on getting the bar back behind the head increases posterior translation and posterolateral rotational forces, in combination with an overfocus on getting under the bar instead of pulling/pushing up and minimising the downward impulsive force in the catch is a contributing factor to these injuries (see: Charniga Jr.)
China does teach "internal rotation" of the shoulders (which is really just scapular retraction) as opposed to "external" rotation (really just supporting more through the serratus anterior/anterior delts), but it is not a fix because to get into that position requires more rearward movement of the barbell. This is not to support external rotation. Deliberate external rotation would likely increase risk of elbow injury, especially with a lot of rearward bar momentum.
S&C for the elbow/forearm/wrist might reduce risk of injury by making those structures more robust.
Re: Minor competition thread
Post scriptum: men here had no results near WR levels. Best perhaps 171 jerk at 61, 150 snatch at 67, 194 jerk at 73, 167+196 at 81.
Re: Minor competition thread
https://sol2023.gems.pro/Result/Event_L ... 395dce9a8e
Pacific Games (Oceania Weightlifting Championships, Paris qualifier)
Pacific Games (Oceania Weightlifting Championships, Paris qualifier)