2025 National Games of China (November)

[erpel]

Lightweight men pretty terrible. Li Fabin low result, Wang Hao DNF, Chen Lijun holding his groin (?), He Yueji looked like nerves/concentration. Bad results overall.
And Shi Zhiyong is not competitive internationally anymore.
China has no standout for 65 (Li will be 35 in LA) and He Yueji should go to 75 aiming for 165+/190+ rather than cut.

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China has no standout for 65 (Li will be 35 in LA) and He Yueji should go to 75 aiming for 165+/190+ rather than cut.

Yes this was true 3 years ago

SHW women Li Wenwen looks like her pull is different, maybe managing an injury. Li Yan won with 140/180 which is a good CJ performance from her but far below her best snatch.

87s as expected, Wang Zhouyu 270 followed by a few trailing athletes like Ao Hui/Bao Yangxi 260s
Peng Cuiting did well at 81, beating out a presumably injured Liang Xiaomei

M55 had an incredibly red board (6 totals, 6 DNF), quite sad.

[erpel]

Liu Huanhua might be the only GOOD Chinese male lifter left. The other ones (who were) are now borderline cripples and the new generation, across the board, is one level below them.
Don't see any gold level capabilities for LA28 atm.

[Hawkpeter]

What are the reasons behind the new generation of male Chinese lifters lacking the quality we've seen pretty much since the Sydney games?

[Elle]

What are the reasons behind the new generation of male Chinese lifters lacking the quality we've seen pretty much since the Sydney games?

I read the statements of a Chinese coach (I don't remember his name) who complained that the "civilization" of rural areas had reduced the number of young athletes, who are now much "softer."

I don't know if this could even be a contributing factor.

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What are the reasons behind the new generation of male Chinese lifters lacking the quality we've seen pretty much since the Sydney games?

I read the statements of a Chinese coach (I don't remember his name) who complained that the "civilization" of rural areas had reduced the number of young athletes, who are now much "softer."

I don't know if this could even be a contributing factor.

Extreme poverty has nearly been eliminated in China, even amongst rural populations. A modest athlete stipend that is greater than your entire family's income is a pretty damn good incentive to go to training.

There is also a lot of rural to urban migration by people looking for better paying jobs and opportunities. The urban population has doubled since the late 1990s. A rural upbringing is obviously much more physical than an urban upbringing in early life, where speculatively, there may be more benefits to coordination/strength from lots of physical activity/manual work compared to a relatively sedentary urban childhood.

China's middle class has grown from a fraction of its population to a majority of its population. The reality is that weightlifting was not a passion for many athletes in the past, it was a necessity.

Then you add in the fact that today's Chinese athletes look a lot cleaner than the athletes from London 2012 and before. Guan Xinlei would have melted the cup.

Now, why does this seem to be affecting the women's results less? I have no idea. Could it possibly be that the talent pool was smaller back in the day and it was compensated with anabolics? Maybe. I don't know anyone who can confirm or deny whether they get more girls in now vs in the past.

[brian.degennaro]

My hypothesis is that women's weightlifting is "newer," willing to adapt their training methods, and therefore not as beholden to any outdated ideas of how to train men in weightlifting since the 60s to late 80s.

I read the statements of a Chinese coach (I don't remember his name) who complained that the "civilization" of rural areas had reduced the number of young athletes, who are now much "softer."

Sounds like the coach needs to adapt to the changing times.

[erpel]

...that being said (by me), I see some potential for Lei Jiangqing for either 75 or 85 (currently 366@81). He's still young (*2003), went 5/6 and has a very stable lockout for both snatch and jerk (important nowadays). If he can "improve" to 360@75 he could fight for gold.

[erpel]

Since the 102 replay is still missing, here's the news segment which has all of Liu Huanhua's attempts:



Also on the topic on "maybe talent", I can see The Chinese Naniev aka Wang Guizhou getting sent to a future WWC (but not OG) with progress to about 185/220 (M110). While his total here was low, he's only 17 (*Dec 2007) and his technique is decent:

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Since the 102 replay is still missing, here's the news segment which has all of Liu Huanhua's attempts:



Also on the topic on "maybe talent", I can see The Chinese Naniev aka Wang Guizhou getting sent to a future WWC (but not OG) with progress to about 185/220 (M110). While his total here was low, he's only 17 (*Dec 2007) and his technique is decent:

Initially when I looked at the scoreboard I thought wtf was Yang Zhe's 3rd attempt, but I guess that's it. This is a bittersweet CNG, it's nice to see the golden generation as you put it have one last competition but everyone has succumbed to time.

Wang has supposedly done 183/215 in training - possibly overweight although he only weighed 107.76.