2024 IWF World Cup - Phuket, Thailand

[erpel]

vpngate.net

Thanks, works as intended (checked with 49C).

[erpel]

Scoreboard:

https://www.iwf.net/scoreboard/graphics ... d_IWF.html

[Elle]

@erpel @Hawkpeter @Elle @brian.degennaro

The event will be streamed on Facebook on the IWF Facebook page but there may be geoblocking based on region.
EDIT: Japanese VPNs get around the restriction. I used a VPN from the University of Tsukuba vpngate.net

A sessions will be streamed via the Olympic Channel. I will update this with a scoreboard if one is made available.

Thank you very much! It seems to work on Olympic channel, we will se tomorrow!

[Elle]

It would be great to chat directly during the competitions XD

[Elle]

There's also a nice Intagram live:

https://www.instagram.com/all_in_weight ... V2bnViag==

[strapping]

49A, snatches.

• PIRON Beatriz DOM pulls out. Not sure why, possible injury?
• Continental slot taken by RANDAFIARISON Rosina MAD with 172 (75x/75/77 + 95/100x/100x). As expected.
• The A session has commentary (derogatory)
• FANG Wan-Ling TPE and ZARATE Katy VEN looking in great shape. The other non-top 10 A session lifters, not so much.
• Hou Zhihui needs 98-99 snatch and 118-119 jerk to qualify. Snatches 93 strongly, 97 basically maximal, excellent lift fot a new world record. 98-99 possible but unlikely. 99 taken, close miss. Needs 120 jerk to secure the Olympic slot, looks unlikely.
• Jiang Huihua not in shape. Snatched 90, 94x, 94.
• 82/84/85 for Fang, 81/83/85 for Zarate.
• IMPERIO Giulia doesn't look in good shape with her cut to make weight. She needs about 87-88 to qualify. Misses 85 twice, terribly. Comes back to make it for a fighting lift on her third, but I don't think it's enough.
• Good lifting from SUZUKI Rira JPN, 83/85/87X. 87 was her typical miss, looked close but wasn't that close. Just a bit too heavy.
• DELACRUZ Jourdan USA absent, weighing in at 55 and living her best life eating street food in Phuket. Same deal with CAMBEI Mihaela ROU

49A, clean and jerks

• 2 top 10 entrants going 3/3, Fang taking 102/104/108 and Zarate taking 102/106/108.
• Imperio bombs on 104. Unfortunate but expected.
• SUZUKI Rira JPN takes 107, a heavy opener but makes light work of it. 110 is cleaned well, a little shaky in the jerk. 112 is probably the maximum possible today. She takes 112, for a very hard, shaky, maximal lift. Maybe I do know things about weightlifting.
• 113 opener for Hou Zhihui - pull/clean looks stronger than usual, but the jerk is still a bit forward/unstable. 114 opener for Jiang Huihua, comfortable.
• 120 on the bar after a flurry of changes, PRK goes out and commits cringe.
• 120 2nd (qualifying) attempt for Hou Zhihui, hard clean, rushes the jerk and gets it to about forehead/half hair length. Looks too heavy. Takes it for her third attempt. Again, a very hard clean. Sets slightly more for the jerk and makes it by being less forward. Very unexpected, guess I don't know anything about weightlifting again.
• 124 PRK cringe. Some solace in that 221 is equal to the Chinese 48kg NR by a clearly drugged Tian Yuan, 126 would have been the remaining barrier also set by Tian Yuan.
  Zarate takes 8th, Fang takes 9th, PIRON Beatriz DOM is in 10th. RAMOS Rosegie drops from 9th to 11th, potentially qualifying if STERCKX Nina BEL qualifies as a 59. The likely removal of the USA 59 may make that slightly easier, but we'll have to see. My best guess is that Sterckx qualifies 10th.

It would be great to chat directly during the competitions XD

I won't decline but I'm not planning to set it up myself.

Moderating live chats with public moderate-large groups is a lot of work, I've done it for non-weightlifting stuff. The current list of active forum users is small enough to make it work, if it's private. I've not had any issues with the current regular users.

Another issue is one of privacy for users, obviously subject to individual preference.

[Elle]

I won't decline but I'm not planning to set it up myself.

Moderating live chats with public moderate-large groups is a lot of work, I've done it for non-weightlifting stuff. The current list of active forum users is small enough to make it work, if it's private. I've not had any issues with the current regular users.

Another issue is one of privacy for users, obviously subject to individual preference.

I was thinking at something small, only for the few people of this forum. Regarding privacy, Telegram groups are anonymous!

As for the competition, I felt bad for Giulia, obviously (she needed that 88 in the snatch to hope a big total) but also for Jiang who will miss another Olympics because of her teammate.

I hope the interview with the Italian team will come out tomorrow, to understand what happened (something like "she did those loads easily in the gym and in the warm-up she was very brilliant").

[Hawkpeter]

It's harder to become an all-muscle 102kg man without WADA alarms going off than it's to be the same at 89kg.

This is true, but I don't think it totally explains why the 102s are underperforming relative to the 89s when comparing to Tokyo. See: Nasar.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Tokyo quad testing was perfect and it's definitely better now.

I think it *does* explain Djuraev's downturn in performance (and some other countries), but I feel that the factors I mentioned are a bigger reason.

I also feel that 96 did not have all of the best 96s competing against each other in Tokyo.

• Moradi was injured and when healthy was probably theoretically capable of 415-420, he does hold the M96 WR total at 417.
• Tian Tao lost his spot because he's Chinese and not a guaranteed gold, probably capable of 410-415 @ 96.
• Paredes didn't compete and totalled 400 in WWC that year, with arguable potential for about 405.
• Tsikhantsou underperformed and bombed in Tokyo.
• Elbakh was the only 400+ total lifter left and therefore got a free (but deserved) ride to gold.

I do feel that 102 is a weaker class than this bodyweight range has been historically, but when specifically compared to Tokyo 96 and 109 I think the answer lies more in contextual oddities than the classes as a whole.

Following up on this, as I just spoke to Meso about it in person. He thinks that a contributing factor is that the 89's more immediately had an environment of athletes who made for direct rivalries Karlos v Nino, Daylin v Tao and Keydomar in good shape straight away. He felt that 102's weren't like that as the Kazakhs and Sth Koreans got out early then for different reasons didn't add to it, and he was going to take his time to come up in BW. Lesman and Rivas were injured and Liu Huanhua was still at 89. He thinks that this week people will lift heavier and by Paris that the 102's will be closer to what the 109's did in Tokyo except for Akbar's total. He doesn't expect the 89 totals to rise much now.

Its also interesting to see Meso's training. Snatch doubles at 170 and he just PB'd his FSQ at 280kg. He prefers being lighter in BW though, if it were his choice, 96 is his preferred category.

[strapping]

61A
146 WR Snatch by Li Fabin, 176 WR/303 for Hampton Morris.
John Febuar CENIZA PHI 300 was a good performance
Chen Lijun is too old to cut to 61, bombs on 140/140/143

[Hawkpeter]

When was the last time you saw in ANY competition a lifter take the first snatch and the last C&J? Or someone set a WR in a lift after they miss their opener on it?